By Kara Swisher
Kara’s conversation on Monday with Microsoft’s president, Brad Smith, touched on Russia, the attack on SolarWinds software and how the U.S. government deals with hacks. She hopped on a call with the Times cybersecurity reporter Nicole Perlroth to discuss.
Credit…Illustration by The New York Times; photograph by Jason Henry for The New York Times
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