Innovation, Not Trees. How Bill Gates Plans to Save the Planet.

By Kara Swisher

Bill Gates is publishing a new book, “How to Avoid a Climate Disaster: The Solutions We Have and the Breakthroughs We Need.” In it, Mr. Gates, the Microsoft co-founder turned philanthropist, outlines a path to a zero emissions future. Apparently electric cars, vegan diets and tree-hugging won’t get us there. And neither will rockets.

In this episode of “Sway,” Kara asks Mr. Gates why the world should listen to a billionaire with a private plane when it comes to the environment. They also discuss tech regulation, vaccine timelines and whether underestimating Elon Musk is ever a good idea.

Credit…Illustration by The New York Times; photograph by Yuri Gripas/Reuters

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Special thanks to Matt Frassica for producing this episode, as well as to Shannon Busta and Liriel Higa.

“Sway” is produced by Nayeema Raza, Heba Elorbany, Matt Kwong and Vishakha Darbha and edited by Paula Szuchman; fact-checking by Kate Sinclair and Michelle Harris; music and sound design by Isaac Jones; mixing by Erick Gomez.

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